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Off the Map – I will now do nothing spectacular

Probably the most wonderful workshop that I have been at during this whole conference was the one hosted by the folks from The Bridge community in Portland. There were other groups there that were encouraging as well… everything was regarding planting churches with people who have no money. Good stuff… it sounds like me. The Bridge is dedicated to being very relational with those on the streets of Portland who do not live in houses.

One person threw out a comment regarding getting people outside of the church walls to be relational. He said, “Churches need to release people from the normal church stuff. The Bible studies, the groups, etc. We are all so busy within the church to be incarnational outside the church.” I totally agree with this… but realize that it is soooo difficult to get people to participate less in the life of their own church community. We want to feel good about being in church. We want to build a really cool place to hang out with the hope that those who visit will think so too. I suppose that we are getting to a place where people don’t find life inside the church the cool place to be. There are plenty of cool things already going on.

After the Bridge workshop, I went up to talk to Ken Loyd, one of the pastors at the Bridge. He has built some wonderful relationships with those in Portland who “don’t live in houses.” I wanted to talk to him about the beginning processes of starting a vibrant community. I usually end up expressing to folks that the thing that gets me most is the “slowness.” “Slowness! That’s the point!!” Ken said. “You will be an instant success in maybe four or five years… You have to do things that are completely un-extraordinary. Don’t do anything special or spectacular. This is how you will be legendary.” He went on to say that so many churches out there are trying to do extraordinary things. It is getting tiring for people. We just have to be normal and engage people where they are at with the absolutely normal things of life.

Relationships. Nothing extraordinary. Nothing spectacular. I love this!

Todd Hunter – from preaching to Conversation

The actual title of Todd’s presentation was Relational Evangelism, but I think it perhaps would be a bit more helpful to think of this within the shift from the modern worldview to the postmodern. It used to be that within the modern mindset there was this demand for experts. Churches happened to be the places where people would go for to get expert advice on all things spiritual, religious, etc. At this time, though, there is a shift in how a lot of people are thinking, in that they don’t demand this expertise anymore.

Todd (who is the president of Alpha) made an interesting observation that the more traditional, conservative Evangelical a church is, the more difficult it is for the Alpha program to work. For instance, if someone came in who has grown up in a pantheistic family, where everyone had subjective morals and smoked pot together, the knee-jerk reaction would be to whip out the cult-apologetics Bible and beat them over the head with it. In this increasingly postmodern culture, this would be unacceptable. How much more do we need to be able to listen, hear, and connect?

Richard Twiss – “go home Whitey”

When Christianity came to native America, we became Baptists, Presbyterians, charismatics, Methodists. Christianity was a white-man’s religion. You can’t be both Indian and Christian. Pick one or the other.

Christianity has become so syncretistic with Western culture that you can’t distinguish the Christianity underneath. American Christianity is even more so. Materialism, modernism, individualism.

In avoiding the tendency to be “missionaries,” who are losing their once-effective impact on the current postmodern culture, perhaps the best thing to do in our local contexts is to come as friends, not “fixers.”

Probably one of my favorite points was the song that Richard sang for us. “A traditional healing song.” He had to make the point that he was using the drum to worship God… it’s not syncretistic. The drum is not evil, the deer hide is not evil, the tree that was used for the frame is not evil, the earth is all God’s and everything in it. Then he started singing, “Heyyaaaa heyyyaaaa… Jenny Craig, jenny craig I need your help, Jenny Craig.” I love it!

Off the Map Live – Seattle

So I guess since so many folks here at Off the Map will be blogging on their comments and feedback, I might as well go for it and join the norm. After all this blogging I have done, I finally get to join the Emergent crowd and blog through a conference. NICE!! You can see other folks’ comments on their own site blog here.

So far, there’s been some good times. Great opportunities to meet folks. I have met some from Nevada, Portland, California…. saw Karen Sloan again, got a big hug from Bill Dahl, met Spencer Burke, Brian McLaren, found out Todd Hunter (who I’ve actually talked to on the phone before) is here, as well. My hope is to continue these conversations at a much more informal level. I suppose I don’t have to worry about Bill as Mr. Porpoise-diving is like a second dad for me.

The thing that I am most impressed with so far is the wide variety of voices present. Not that they are wide by any broad sense of the term, but there is a good variety of people here representing different view points. I prefer to do much listening these next few days, as no doubt it will be more challenging to come in with an open mind… ready to learn. I do always find it interesting when we spend a lot of time hypothesizing about strategy and theory with a lot of folks who are pretty similar to us. Our ministry then is often with people who are very different then us… so perhaps, let’s talk about who we are and what we bring to the table. I hope for these opportunities.

But then again, after our conversation over a few beers last night, I should supposedly affirm that “I don’t have anything to do with it… and then again neither do you…. and neither does the conversation…” I know that doesn’t make sense….