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Learn to differ and disagree well

I greatly appreciate this recent post from Brian McLaren’s blog:

I just received this today …

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Pastor Brian,

I want to apologize to you about some reviews that I put on www.amazon.com. After reading The Truth War by John MacArthur, I was alarmed by your works.

Recently, I put myself in your shoes and thought what it would be like for people to post things that are not favorable. I went and took my comments off.

I still am unsure of some of the comments that John MacArthur highlights, but am sincerely sorry for my actions.

Sincerely,

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Here’s my reply (slightly edited for privacy’s sake) …


Dear … – I wanted to thank you for your kind and gracious note. I very rarely receive notes like this – I can’t tell you how encouraging it is to see brothers in Christ show this kind of humility and charity and brotherliness. Thank you.

I’ve had some private contact with the author you mentioned. He and I do indeed have some deep and sincere disagreements. Although I feel that he misrepresents me on a number of counts, I certainly respect his right and responsibility to express his concerns as he sees fit. My wish would be that Christians could learn to differ and disagree well … which would involve accurately representing one another’s views, not overstating them, not hastily resorting to inflammatory or vilifying language, and always practicing the “golden rule” – which is what you have done so beautifully in this situation.

So, please be assured of my respect for you and my gratitude too. I hope you’ll keep me in your prayers, and again, thanks.
Warmly, in Christ,
Brian
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May we all learn from this brother’s beautiful example.

The sooner the world goes to hell, the sooner I go to heaven… Ugh!!

I hesitate using this phrase as a subject, as it is something that I so strongly disagree with, I can barely stand it. I have had a number of conversations over the last few days regarding eschatology (to use an “insider” word), or the study of the last things. After reading chapter 18 in Everything Must Change, by Brian McLaren, a number of thoughts came to mind that seem to be worth putting down. This idea of “the sooner the world goes to hell, the sooner I go to heaven” is not necessarily something that people would come right out and say, but as I think about how our actions show what’s going on inside, and what some Christians really think about God, this message does come across.

There are some Christians who tend to focus so strongly on the end times and what is going to happen when Jesus comes back to administer God’s final judgment and wrath on a sinful world. They get much of their theology from the John’s book, Revelation, and they read so literally all these ideas that John seems to have written with such strong analogy and imagery. I hear reference to words and phrases like, “this world is not my own,” “tribulation,” “rapture,” “the second coming of Jesus (a phrase that is not actually in the Bible),” “judgment,” “wrath,” “humans’ dominion over creation,” “just war,” and others, and my red flags go up right away. Each of these is not in and of themselves a terrible thing, if they can be clarified and explained. But the sum total often tends to imply my point from the title. We must follow things out to their logical conclusion.

Pardon the long quotation, but I can’t say this better than Brian does:

If we believe that Jesus came in peace the first time, but that wasn’t his “real” and decisive coming – it was just a kind of warm up for the real-thing – then we leave the door open to envisioning a second coming that will be characerized by violence, killing, domination, and eternal torture. This vision reflects a deconversion, a return to trust in the power of Pilate, not the unarmed truth that stood before Pilate, refusing to fight. This eschatological understanding of a violent second coming leads us to believe that in the end, even God finds it impossible to fix the world apart from violence and coercion; no one shold be surprised when those shaped by this theology behave accordingly.

If we remain charmed by this kind of eschatology, we will be forced to see the nonviolence of the Jesus of the Gospels as a kind of strategic fake-out, like a feigned retreat in war, to be followed up by a crushing blow of so called redemptive violenc in the end. the gentle Jesus of the first coming becomes a kind of trick Jesus, a fake-me-out Messiah, to be replaced by the true jihadist Jesus of a violent second coming…

The Jesus of one reading of the Apocalypse brings us to a grim resignation: the world will get worse and worse, and finally this jihadist Jesus will return to use force, domination, violence, and even torture – the ultimate imperial tools – to vanquish evil and bring peace. But exactly what kind of victory and peace are we left with when domination, violence, and torture have won the day? This version of Jesus brings us to a kind of fatalism that sees the future predetermined and our actions incapable of altering the divinely preset outcome. And it sees domination, violence, and torture as the eternal legacy of God’s creative project.

The Jesus of the emerging [perspective] tells us the opposite: that good will prevail by peace, love, truth, faithfulness, and courageous endurance of suffering, and that domination, violence, and torture are among the things that will be overcome. In this view, no good deed will be forgotten or wasted, so we should start doing the next good thing now, faithfully continue, and never give up until the dream comes true. Eve if doing so will cost us our life, we must press on, because death is not the end, and even death itself cannot stop the advance of the peace and love of God.

Coffee shop reading… more random connections

Okay, so I didn’t exactly talk to this girl… but I was slightly delighted yesterday as I sat at Backporch Coffee for my, nearly daily, visit. As I was sitting there with my copy of Brian McLaren’s, Everything Must Change, I happened to look up to see what the person at the table next to me was reading. John MacArthur, Truth War. It is hard for me to think of two more opposite books. One, very non-religious right, and the other, very religious right. One, very emerging church… and the other, written with the purpose of condemning it.

I am not a confrontational person (though definitely not afraid of conflict) and I won’t go looking for it or causing it. But I do love a little drama and I do love to ask questions. So controversy, if I am the observer, can sometimes be pretty interesting. I thought about asking this girl what she thought of the book. Usually, when I start talking to people about the emerging church, especially if they are skeptical of the movement in general, I don’t come right out and say that I am actually helping get one going.

I waited a while as I sat at my table and it ended up that some friends came up and asked her what she was reading. As she talked about the book, she mentioned that it was only making her mad. Her exposure to the emerging church was through Rob Bell and good ol’ Johnny Mac and company definitely loves to get down on Rob. She didn’t really like what MacArthur was saying or how he applies scripture in many cases. But… as she said, it’s good to get a balanced perspective. Much better perspective than me, as my balanced perspective is limited to an occasional book by a bitter atheist.

While we didn’t talk, I left feeling pleased that I knew a little bit of how she was reacting to the book. I am excited when I hear people talking, reading, or thinking about the emerging church. The movement is so new in Bend, at least in practice… and things are just beginning to happen, as in like less than a year. We have our third official Bend Cohort meeting tomorrow at the Backporch and 12:15.